Monthly pvp event continues into December?

[skyhunter11]

I liked this. Very competitive. Does it go on again?

May I suggest a top kill to death ratio ranking? You have to have at least 5 kills/deaths to make the list and takes quantity of kills/deaths into account. So someone doesn't sit on a 1/0 all month.

Also suggest can only win one token rather than two tokens. If one or more of the top three killers is on the death list, then the next ranked person can get a token.

If you consider my new ranking challenge to have a top kill ratio. Winners get 2 tokens but can not win top kills or death tokens. This would be the hardest.

This maybe too many tokens awarded each month. Which would be 12. Perhaps number 1st gets 2 tokens and 2nd and 3rd place get none for kill ratio rank. . Now it's only 8 tokens.

Something to ponder about.

Narrk.

[skyhunter11]

Formula would be (kills/(kills +deaths)) * kills = ranking. Tie breakers go to the most (kills + deaths).

I probably should have posted this in the suggestion forum. It originally started out as a question.

Narrk

[Heimdallr]

Yes every month it restarts again as stated in the thread.

We will take all your suggestions on board thank you.

[KoulukMandoul]

Pass on this event. Creates a situation where factional grinders are targeted by greifing competitors for kills drawing them into PvP by entering aoe range. Which has been conveyed in general chat on many occasions. (Seems to be the same small group of players harassing like this.) Particular players even going to the extent of killing afk new players using afk macros. (Again, same player/players repetitively doing this) This now adds benefit to Jedi who are competing in the event who now gain frs and now are awarded kills for poor behaviour on new or defenseless players. Allowing 2-3 bhs to team up on single Jedi, with the already questionable balance issues and stacking the deathblow count has already reduced PvP rather then increase it during this month's event. This idea was a nice attempt at increasing PvP. But unforeseen player decisions and server balancing issues make it a deterrent to pvp and an annoyance to far to many players that are having their game enjoyment reduced by forced PvP.

[skyhunter11]

GCW is pvp. You get a TEF in GCW combat with opposing faction npcs. SWG is a heavy pvp orientated RPG. If you don't want to risk pvp, go nuetral. If you want to play a candyland version of SWG, I don't think awakening is the right server.

I am all for removing jedi from GCW. Let them have their own factions to compete in. As for 3 on 1 bh vs jedi. I am all for it. Kill them all. Make it 5 on 1!

For me, these events are a good thing. The end of month can get a little odd as those that get high up in kills can sit it out, while those who want top deaths go suicidal.

Narrk

[Suga]

For Narrk, they are a good thing! Woot! Good for Narrk.
There are a lot of people on the server who are negatively affected by this event. That's a reality that all the scolding and down-talking will not change.
I think it makes common sense to discuss the positive and negative implications, without just making blanket assumptions about what SWG 'is'.
Some people seem to weigh in very heavily in these discussions, but that does not mean they are the only voice, or should be the only voice.
Personally, I don't play jedi. I'm not into non-consensual pvp, so I choose to opt-out of a "PVP toon."
However, this event makes me reluctant to play my support toons, because I don't want to be a 'free kill' for the rabidly pvp-focused handful on the server.
I was hoping for a break between these (deathblow) events. I was hoping for a break from the griefing, and the exploiting that I've seen taking place as people strive to win that token. I also believe that those who exploit for kills should probably be disqualified.
Just tossing in my 2 cents before my voice is drowned out by the few.

Another casual observation: I have not seen an uptick of PvP since the inception of this event. The way to increase the amount of PvP is to increase the population on the server. Non-PvPers don't seem to be jumping on board, lured by the chance of a token. I see the same handful of people in the fray who have always been in the fray.

[L4TCH]

Pass on this event. Creates a situation where factional grinders are targeted by greifing competitors for kills drawing them into PvP by entering aoe range. Which has been conveyed in general chat on many occasions. (Seems to be the same small group of players harassing like this.) Particular players even going to the extent of killing afk new players using afk macros. (Again, same player/players repetitively doing this) This now adds benefit to Jedi who are competing in the event who now gain frs and now are awarded kills for poor behaviour on new or defenseless players. Allowing 2-3 bhs to team up on single Jedi, with the already questionable balance issues and stacking the deathblow count has already reduced PvP rather then increase it during this month's event. This idea was a nice attempt at increasing PvP. But unforeseen player decisions and server balancing issues make it a deterrent to pvp and an annoyance to far to many players that are having their game enjoyment reduced by forced PvP.

It's a low pop. server, the same faces will encounter each other on a consistent basis. I think you are over reacting saying "harassing" but if you see a red dot, don't aoe or move, it's that simple. I have a solution for you, go neutral if you want to AFK grind so you don't wake up dead.

If you have a Jedi and are have 2-3 BHs coming after you and dying, then it's probably time for you to consider a new template, learn how to defend yourself, or play during times those BHs aren't online. Devs has made it clear to EVERYONE the risk of becoming a Jedi. Not to mention, Jedi's were always hunted or killed in the movies. For crying out loud, Obiwon even placed a tracking device on Jango Fett...lol

[KoulukMandoul]

I think it was clear that it was in reference to skills/ abilities that aren't viable on any other servers. Just trying to not start a poo flinging contest with the hastily angered and defensive players. But hey it's a low pop. Server let's ensure it stays that way right!

[L4TCH]

For Narrk, they are a good thing! Woot! Good for Narrk.
There are a lot of people on the server who are negatively affected by this event. That's a reality that all the scolding and down-talking will not change.
I think it makes common sense to discuss the positive and negative implications, without just making blanket assumptions about what SWG 'is'.
Some people seem to weigh in very heavily in these discussions, but that does not mean they are the only voice, or should be the only voice.
Personally, I don't play jedi. I'm not into non-consensual pvp, so I choose to opt-out of a "PVP toon."
However, this event makes me reluctant to play my support toons, because I don't want to be a 'free kill' for the rabidly pvp-focused handful on the server.
I was hoping for a break between these events. I was hoping for a break from the griefing, and the exploiting that I've seen taking place as people strive to win that token. I also believe that those who exploit for kills should probably be disqualified.
Just tossing in my 2 cents before my voice is drowned out by the few.

Another casual observation: I have not seen an uptick of PvP since the inception of this event. The way to increase the amount of PvP is to increase the population on the server. Non-PvPers don't seem to be jumping on board, lured by the chance of a token. I see the same handful of people in the fray who have always been in the fray.

Break? There hasn't been any PvP love since the server started. This is their first attempt to initiate more PvP so WTF are you talking about taking a "break" LOL? If you don't want to see the scolding or down-talking, which occurs in the PvP channel for the most part, then you should've never joined the PvP channel. Oh it's happening in guild chat too? Then perhaps having a meeting with those that do PvP to keep it out of guild chat. Sounds like you want all the power and glory but not all the resistance that comes with it. There are others in the population and it's not always about your vision or views.

No one is "griefing" anyone, as it's against server rules and your guild mates, who are just as guilty of anyone else on the server, perform these actions to other Jedi so I'd check them before throwing your 2 cents and making a useless post.

[L4TCH]

I think it was clear that it was in reference to skills/ abilities that aren't viable on any other servers. Just trying to not start a poo flinging contest with the hastily angered and defensive players. But hey it's a low pop. Server let's ensure it stays that way right!

I get it, you have plans to accomplish some PvE task in the game but make a mistake or decide to assist your team mates the best you can. I truly do get it as it's happen to me but there needs to be an understanding on both ends and not just one sided as it has been for the PvE'ers.

For a long time, these handful of players and FORMER players, who have left due to the lack of the aspect, have been waiting/requesting some attention to a component (PvP love) in the game before it was created so it feels good to have your voice finally heard by the Devs. I wish more people would participate in PvP so they can understand how their time, effort, and resources obtained can be used on other things besides NPCs and just simply change things up a bit.

"if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi. If you are to become a complete and wise leader you must embrace a larger view of the Force."

I am sure you can relate...

Let me also just be clear as the majority of the population on this server knows my "way of being". It goes without notice that I and some others, appreciate the Devs efforts in trying to accommodate the small population of us who truly enjoy PvP'ing.

[Suga]

Latch, you have misinterpreted everything I said. Grats for being thorough, bro.

[skyhunter11]

I'm glad it's continuing into december. I only regret asking if was going to continue. It's a game, nothing more than that. Stay nuetral if you don't want to risk dying from GCW pvp. I have no sympathy for afk farmers. They should be killed. Game is intended to be played at keyboard.

Narrk

[Cyclone]

The issue of PvPers dragging GCW factional grinders into combat is an issue for both sides of this debate to deal with as it creates issues for both sides. I’ll start with a run down on my thoughts, GCW factions (Imperial and Rebel) are specifically made to facilitate the PvP mechanics of the game as is going Jedi, if you want to be a Rebel, Imperial or Jedi you are pretty much agreeing to some form of PvP at one time or another, even more so if you understand that AoEing an overt member of the opposite faction will bring you a TEF (which is pretty much common knowledge amongst players who have been around for a while), and you still decide to AFK grind with an AoE skill macro (or you aren’t being vigilant for approaching red dots if you are ATK). There is a simple fix to this if you don’t want to be attacked and killed while AFK, either go neutral (no PvP) or remove the AoE from your AFK macro. As stated, there are mechanics in place for you if you don’t want to enter into an unwanted PvP encounter. This being said, there will inevitably be some newer players caught up in this that simply don’t remember or have never known about the possibility of being killed when factional covert and I’ll get to that in a minute. As for the PvPers this also comes down to you to consider as well regarding the longevity of your PvP environment here at Awakening. Fair enough if you want to attack people via this mechanic but you have to consider what effect it will have on the PvP player base of the future, not many are hardcore PvPers like most of the current PvP crowd here, they do it for fun and a bit of light banter so you have to think, these are the potential future PvPers that you could be killing via this mechanic. If you are, they will get the impression that these are the kind of ‘underhanded’ tactics (killing new almost defenceless or AFK players) that happens on this server in PvP, which might make them decide against ever getting into PvP at all or leaving the server before they even get started. In my mind the best PvP is that which is agreed to by all parties involved but as we know SWG has mechanics that sometimes circumvent this or allow this to not be the case by mechanics that some people don’t even know exist.

As for the staff side of things, we can only go so far, you ask for these events, we provide. If they cause too many issues amongst the community or don’t generate enough interest, we replace them with something else or just don’t offer them anymore. Keep in mind that any form of PvP event will always cause some amount of tension amongst certain types of players.

[Darkspecialist]

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there is a pvp chat channel?

[Erigzback]

I understand the purpose behind the events, and any/all events put on this server which attempt to involve people participating in pvp or pve events is a win in my book as long as an open mind is kept. I don't mind that events continue and I appreciate the work put into making all the events that have been popping up on this server.

I do believe a majority of the server wants population growth and while I think the influx of events on the server is a great thing I also think some people see things happening (some of which are coming from these pvp events) that could cause new players to leave as soon as they get started. For the comments of "it's a low pop server" the goal in my mind is to work and fix that over time, not to just accept that as a fact that's unchangeable so nothing is done to benefit population growth. I used to give every new person I saw a few get-started credits, which I have stopped doing due to the fact I don't know if said new player is actually new or not anymore.

PVP always brings friction between both sides of the coin. Imps get tired of rebs, rebs get tired of imps. Jedi get tired of BH. It's a part of the game that's understandable and yes there is the option to go neutral to avoid that (for the most part). I myself have been swayed from and don't really care to pvp anymore unless someone specifically asks for my help due to the fact I can be nowhere near a fight and be spammed with whispers of trash talk for not even participating. While the ignore feature is nice for preventing that... many people with many alts makes it a tiring situation trying to get them all on a list for all my toons. Especially with how easy it is to delete and remake a new alt.

As for killing afk farmers. I agree it's a cruddy situation especially if it's a new player trying to get started. I think regardless of the pvp db event jedi would kill afk players for their frs grind due to the low pop and lack of pvp being the overlying issue there. If I don't recognize the name I won't kill them, but that's just me personally as someone who doesn't care if they win or lose a monthly pvp db event and who also doesn't care about the frs grind. For me a csr token isn't worth potentially ruining someones day or causing them to quit the server in rage. But I know the comment of "if they quit over that awakening isn't the place for them" is somewhere in someones mind to that comment.

One thing I find important and I have to agree with Suga on is that those who are exploiting for kills should be disqualified from the contest all together. I think to reward people who are exploiting and abusing in-game mechanics that are obviously not allowed Would be a very bad look on the overall purpose of the event, which is to bring in more pvp. And I think that should be true for ALL jedi, bh, IMPS and Rebs. Also in doing that people who do choose to ignore certain server rules or go out of their way to abuse or exploit certain systems will hopefully stop doing those things without further punishment being required. (As we would like to grow the pop, not shrink it.)

Just my 2cents from someone who doesn't really pvp anymore. Thanks again to the devs putting on these events and thanks to those who are willing to have a conversation and share feedback and opinions on the events.

[Suga]

Perhaps the DB event should be opt-in for a trial period. Only deaths from/to registered participants count. This would measure the enthusiasm for the event, and eliminate the troll aspect.

My objective is not to rain on anyone's parade. As always, my objective is to do what I can to encourage server growth, and elevate fun quotient.

[Dirge]

I was hoping for a break from the griefing, and the exploiting that I've seen taking place as people strive to win that token. I also believe that those who exploit for kills should probably be disqualified.

One thing I find important and I have to agree with Suga on is that those who are exploiting for kills should be disqualified from the contest all together. I think to reward people who are exploiting and abusing in-game mechanics that are obviously not allowed Would be a very bad look on the overall purpose of the event, which is to bring in more pvp. And I think that should be true for ALL jedi, bh, IMPS and Rebs. Also in doing that people who do choose to ignore certain server rules or go out of their way to abuse or exploit certain systems will hopefully stop doing those things without further punishment being required. (As we would like to grow the pop, not shrink it.)

If someone is believed to be using an exploit or griefing to get a kill report that activity to staff and we will investigate. Keep in mind that not everything reported meets those definitions (e.g., same faction hunting, overt positioning self in range of AoE, killing base docs/ents) and that, when they do, they may not result in an insta-ban. We do not disclose our discussions with players or any actions taken on their account with others.

With that being said, Cyclone's post is pretty much spot on in regards to factional PvP and TEFs. Sure, some actions are considered rude and I think people need to consider the long term affects of TEF'ing a new player but the game provides a mechanism for avoiding unwanted PvP entirely. These situations have occurred throughout the life of SWG.

This incentive will continue on through at least December and monitor the data. We are already reviewing logs to identify attempts to pad numbers and have disqualified some of those records. The current form of the PvP incentive was intended as a simple introduction of a plan meant to evolve over time and some changes are possible (or likely) - or we may decide that the entire plan needs to be removed/replaced. We would prefer to keep something going for the PvP crowd and encourage our players to give us feedback. There are certainly improvements that could be made and we will consider any suggestions that make sense.

[lassic]

Latch--"It's a low pop. server, the same faces will encounter each other on a consistent basis. I think you are over reacting saying "harassing" but if you see a red dot, don't aoe or move, it's that simple. I have a solution for you, go neutral if you want to AFK grind so you don't wake up dead."

I want to address this part specifically. It is not as simple as, if you see a red dot. For example, I am out on my CM, we are doing some hunting somewhere and I automatically get a tef for healing a jedi. That takes 5 minutes to wear off. By the time I see red dot, it is too late. I think that is what Abs is talking about. Support players, or non-jedi players are forced to be factional in order to heal the Jedi players. Which, in turn, forces a tef on them even if they are covert.

That is the part of the unwanted PvP that I believe she(Abs) is referring to.

I can continue with the previous example and take it to a more specific one. We were in the GY hunting and Dreamwiz rolled up and tried to kill me right away. Not either of the 5 Jedi that were there. Me. I didn't take it personal. I knew what was gonna happen if pvp rolled in. I just found it interesting that he would target the non-jedi first. This is kind of the argument against the pvp count event. If the people are always going to go for the easiest target, which in this case are the tef'd support toons instead of the real pvp toons, then I think the event is failing at its target of increasing pvp. The incentive to go out and do those things is diminished instead of increased.

Please, make no wrongful inference here. I am not calling Dream out. It is just the most salient example I have in my head atm. He didn't do anything "illegal". However, it does demonstrate the point I am trying to make quite well.

Like it or not, it creates an attitude of, "If I am just going to be murdered first, not help my friends or participate in the pvp, and just increase the kill counts of the opposing faction without doing anything significant." then, instead of these things, folks are just saying, forget it. I won't go out and make myself a target. Which, in turn, diminishes PvP.

I kind of like that /register idea, I just don't see an easy way to implement it. Anyway. I appreciate the discussion here.

[skyhunter11]

Ranked jedi aren't killing TEF'd non Jedi players for the end of month tokens. The number one reason is the 400 FRS points. They were doing it before this event.

This event was intended to bring more folks into the GCW. There is a civil war going on between the empire and rebellion. It is a carrot for those to engage win or lose.

I think pvp among non Jedi players would be more enticing if the jedi were not in it. My most fondest memories of PvP were in the early SOE days before the unlocks. Give the FRS their own light/dark factions to compete against each other. Not rebel or empire. But that would be a huge code modification. Lots of work for people who do this for free.

With jedi removed from GCW, there would be less jedi running around looking for easy 400 FRS. Players can suit up and fight each with blasters and melee weapons without fear of being killed quickly by a lightbat.

Narrk

[StaticStrife]

If someone is believed to be using an exploit or griefing to get a kill report that activity to staff and we will investigate. Keep in mind that not everything reported meets those definitions (e.g., same faction hunting, overt positioning self in range of AoE, killing base docs/ents) and that, when they do, they may not result in an insta-ban. We do not disclose our discussions with players or any actions taken on their account with others.

Also please keep in mind that we do investigate when claims are brought to our attention. However we don't discuss with the player base, what actions are taken once that happens.

Being able to kill a player using an AOE attack as part of their AFK macro has always been a thing. That's part of the risk when you faction up and use it in your rotation. There are so many places in the galaxy where you can find faction NPC's out of the way and avoid notice. Is it always going to be in a convenient easy to get to spot? Probably not.

Jedi is always going to be at risk by BH's and once you go Knight, at risk being attacked by anyone who thinks they can take on the red dot. Awakening is unique in that we didn't fuss with the server so that only Jedi can go after the higher end mobs, like other servers have. Our non-Jedi professions may not have as easy a time of it, but it's not a requirement to have a Jedi.

What I see is, "I want to be able to go out and do GCW related things, while avoiding all repercussions and the inherent risks associated." Attacking a faction NPC is agreeing to getting a tef and therefore being attackable. Healing someone SF or a Jedi Knight is agreeing to getting a tef and therefore being attackable. Getting FRS from a tef'd player is probably more motivating than the chance at a CSR token. Having a postable list didn't create this issue, it was around well before this. It was a thing well before there even was FSR rankings and points. People used to go after tef'd players for GCW points.

I spent a lot of time going through tons of code and the SWG database looking for interesting items to spawn that aren't available to the player base, or in a very limited availability. Heimdallr and Cyclone are doing a brilliant job creating non combat events for people to get a chance at a CSR token, and giving the player base access to some of these items. We're going to have more events that are a success, and more events that totally flop. We won't know how they do until we roll them out there and get a response from the player base.