Question about Caves

Alix · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:51 pm

Hello

I just had a question about caves and grinding. Lets say i become tough enough to hang in the geo cave and do not log out for mobs an such. Bh are still able to come in after me. So if i do not log out the moment i see a dot and am just using the the high end mobs as a shield, is this still exploiting?

Pwntera · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:00 pm

Alix wrote:Hello

I just had a question about caves and grinding. Lets say i become tough enough to hang in the geo cave and do not log out for mobs an such. Bh are still able to come in after me. So if i do not log out the moment i see a dot and am just using the the high end mobs as a shield, is this still exploiting?

From what I understand as long as you are full template farming loot in the Geo Cave and DWB is fine (I mean that is the point) but if you are not full temp and specifically using high level mobs as shields to prevent the normal BH vs Jedi interaction it is considered exploiting. I believe the BH mission payout will reflect how far the Jedi is in his progression so if their mark is deep in the Geo Cave just killing a few mobs it would be up the the BH to report them. Make sure they aren't full template cause I would see constant reporting like this as harassment.

Alix · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:10 pm

Poop, thats to bad, if I can hang as a non full temp, they should be able to as well. Would i be able to get confirmation on this?

Unholyfrostgod · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:12 pm

Alix wrote:Hello

I just had a question about caves and grinding. Lets say i become tough enough to hang in the geo cave and do not log out for mobs an such. Bh are still able to come in after me. So if i do not log out the moment i see a dot and am just using the the high end mobs as a shield, is this still exploiting?

zzyzxisinthemix · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:26 pm

Unholyfrostgod wrote:
Alix wrote:Hello

I just had a question about caves and grinding. Lets say i become tough enough to hang in the geo cave and do not log out for mobs an such. Bh are still able to come in after me. So if i do not log out the moment i see a dot and am just using the the high end mobs as a shield, is this still exploiting?

lol

Best bet is to get full temp and enjoy the benefits that come from it until then. I think until then, stick with your favorite best grind. This avoids any confrontation. I also look forward to taking on Geo caves when I am full temp, until then...I will be patient...

May the force be with you...

Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:47 pm

Alix wrote:Poop, thats to bad, if I can hang as a non full temp, they should be able to as well. Would i be able to get confirmation on this?

I'm pretty sure the staff made clear what would happen to non-templated Jedi using caves to grind. Geo caves are more of an end-game style dungeon. If you can hang in there solo as a Jedi you are pretty close to template. If you are using it to avoid bh attacks you are going to wish you only died to a bh. Is that clear enough?

Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:48 pm

Unholyfrostgod wrote:
Alix wrote:Hello

I just had a question about caves and grinding. Lets say i become tough enough to hang in the geo cave and do not log out for mobs an such. Bh are still able to come in after me. So if i do not log out the moment i see a dot and am just using the the high end mobs as a shield, is this still exploiting?

That's awesome!

Alix · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:07 pm

i look at this option for when i am on the terms anyways. Everyone is going back and forth how fast blast is to strong and blah blah blah. It is said by the devs that Jedi will have to use strategy, so in my opinion, if i am not logging in and out and just using the front gate as defense, I am still exposed. If i got past it so should they. I dont think that exploiting is fair, but strategy void of exploit should be reconsidered.

Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:37 pm

Alix wrote:i look at this option for when i am on the terms anyways. Everyone is going back and forth how fast blast is to strong and blah blah blah. It is said by the devs that Jedi will have to use strategy, so in my opinion, if i am not logging in and out and just using the front gate as defense, I am still exposed. If i got past it so should they. I dont think that exploiting is fair, but strategy void of exploit should be reconsidered.

Don't look at it an certain way, listen to what I am telling you. Huge difference in the end results on both. You don't want to find out what happens if you ignore the later. Play safe. Don't use non player structure boundaries to prevent bh attacks or attacks from other players. It is exploiting.

Celt · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:01 pm

I think the point has been made before, if you have to ask, it's probably exploiting.

Seems like a disproportionate amount of effort is put into finding a cheap way to avoid BHs instead of finding a legitimate way to defend yourself, or kite. Thats the biggest problem new guys seem to have wrapping their head around the Jedi grind. You will not be able to have your proverbial cake and eat it too (or whatever cliche you wanna use). You cant be awesome in pvp, great at PVE and FR3 away everytime you see a BH. You are gonna have to commit to a template.

crestonanto · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:20 pm

Srsly. I'd park a BH right next to the cloner in the labor outpost on yavin and just wait.

Alix · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:49 pm

Yep, i wont do it. I will continue to learn the ways of the force grinding boars in the Forest :0. It is not to avoid bh's they are coming no matter what, it is because the xp is nice. But w/e's I will grind the way the mob says O0 . But for the record, the exploiting is in the logging in and out, not in the mobs around you, that is strategy. Bh always talk about setting up the opportune moment, well setting up a good defense is no different no matter what anyone says. But rules are rules and i really dont want to draw anymore attention so I will say. NP

just happy to be playing. ty for clarifying.

Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:57 pm

Alix wrote:Yep, i wont do it. I will continue to learn the ways of the force grinding boars in the Forest :0. It is not to avoid bh's they are coming no matter what, it is because the xp is nice. But w/e's I will grind the way the mob says O0 . But for the record, the exploiting is in the logging in and out, not in the mobs around you, that is strategy. Bh always talk about setting up the opportune moment, well setting up a good defense is no different no matter what anyone says. But rules are rules and i really dont want to draw anymore attention so I will say. NP just happy to be playing. ty for clarifying.

Yeah that invulnerability upon login timer is going to be adjusted soon. People caught abusing it will be killed on site. We are getting tired of people testing our resolve when it comes to things like that. You ever heard that term " you're going to fuck it up for everyone else"? Well you got people that continue to abuse things like this. You give people swg to play again and they just can't resist doing stupid shit on a daily basis.

Alix · Unread post Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:47 pm

I agree, i would never use it. I think anyone that does is a sissy and should go play on a week jedi server. I do not exploit and will not be grouped with those who do, but i am not above being strategic because that is how i play. I just want to clarity as per my original post, i dont exploit and I never will, just like you guys, I am just making sure I fit between the lines.

Unread post Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:06 pm

See the deal here is Cynar is trying to help you guys. He knows damn well, if things get exploited enough and I see it... I will change things and that change may just be pretty harsh. Bottomline, anyone exploiting loopholes could ruin it for all...

BTW, the meme above is pretty funny!

superbfruitz · Unread post Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:50 am

This is why I would not grind Jedi on this server. Not because it's hard, or BH will come after you, or it takes a long time. All those things were true on live when I did it there.

I believe in dog eat dog SWG. The SWG I know and love was the wild west. You put your money where your mouth is and hoped it was enough. It was a danger to even step out your front door and do a faction mission, and even though I don't really feel threatened doing so here, knowing it -could- make me a target for another player is enough. There were no arbitrary rules put on me about what I could and could not do within gameplay mechanics, if I could imagine it, I could do it. So if I was farming faction and made a WP to some nearby ATST's who could protect me if I was jumped, is that also an exploit if I ran to them? I would hope not as it's just smart gaming.

There's a lot more that goes into SWG than just Jedi or the Jedi/BH relationship. Creating a special contrived ruleset so it can function is just like saying a TK can not grind with a VK before they get novice TKA. The system is really no more important, it's just yet another part of the game. Most would disagree with me there as there are many people grinding Jedi right now as we speak, but I believe all things should be treated equally, as they all play a part in being a part of the game that we love. I would not want special rules being placed on me or restrictions for any of its aspects, or I would just abstain from them entirely.

Unholyfrostgod · Unread post Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:54 am

superbfruitz wrote:This is why I would not grind Jedi on this server. Not because it's hard, or BH will come after you, or it takes a long time. All those things were true on live when I did it there.

I believe in dog eat dog SWG. The SWG I know and love was the wild west. You put your money where your mouth is and hoped it was enough. It was a danger to even step out your front door and do a faction mission, and even though I don't really feel threatened doing so here, knowing it -could- make me a target for another player is enough. There were no arbitrary rules put on me about what I could and could not do within gameplay mechanics, if I could imagine it, I could do it. So if I was farming faction and made a WP to some nearby ATST's who could protect me if I was jumped, is that also an exploit if I ran to them? I would hope not as it's just smart gaming.

There's a lot more that goes into SWG than just Jedi or the Jedi/BH relationship. Creating a special contrived ruleset so it can function is just like saying a TK can not grind with a VK before they get novice TKA. The system is really no more important, it's just yet another part of the game. Most would disagree with me there as there are many people grinding Jedi right now as we speak, but I believe all things should be treated equally, as they all play a part in being a part of the game that we love. I would not want special rules being placed on me or restrictions for any of its aspects, or I would just abstain from them entirely.

The thing that should have been controlled was logging at the bottom of caves when bounty hunters come for you and have it be "Hey if you do this we are going to nail you to the wall". But it is their server, if they say hey you aren't allowed to use LOS or you have to leave your house when a bh comes for you ultimately a lot less people would play jedi but those would be the rules, Simon says.

And trust me myself and most jedi ingame that i've talked to at least aren't very thrilled with the cave change especially those of us that haven't abused anything, but we strive on and we shalt bringeth the death of many rancors.

Pwntera · Unread post Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:41 am

Unholyfrostgod wrote:And trust me myself and most jedi ingame that i've talked to at least aren't very thrilled with the cave change especially those of us that haven't abused anything

You know I was probably the very first Jedi on the server to logout at the bottom of a cave when a BH was coming after me but truthfully I wasn't trying to "abuse" the system, to me it was as natural as buying a travel ticket to leave the planet.

Celt · Unread post Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:38 pm

Thats understandable. It's a knee-jerk reaction. Unfortunately, once it becomes a repeated knee-jerk reaction, word spreads, and then it becomes a strategy. Next thing you know every jedi is found at the bottom of a cave and logs when a smurf shows up, no one can hunt. I have seen it time and time again. thats why we found certain jedi at the same waypoint on Dant for weeks on end. We would pull a way point and, without fail, they were in a house at a humanoid spawn that wasnt giving vis.

If Jedi could play reasonably, I would understand. But they cant. They find a work around and they abuse it. Then complain when it gets nerfed. Hard to be sympathetic to that kind of mind set.

zzyzxisinthemix · Unread post Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:47 pm

Celt wrote:Thats understandable. It's a knee-jerk reaction. Unfortunately, once it becomes a repeated knee-jerk reaction, word spreads, and then it becomes a strategy. Next thing you know every jedi is found at the bottom of a cave and logs when a smurf shows up, no one can hunt. I have seen it time and time again. thats why we found certain jedi at the same waypoint on Dant for weeks on end. We would pull a way point and, without fail, they were in a house at a humanoid spawn that wasnt giving vis.

If Jedi could play reasonably, I would understand. But they cant. They find a work around and they abuse it. Then complain when it gets nerfed. Hard to be sympathetic to that kind of mind set.

Can you blame them though? Not for "exploiting" but for being extra careful? Someone will dedicate months on end to get a Jedi, and then spend many many hours to get 1-2 boxes. People protect their boxes like a baby. That is not to say Jedi are not to expect to be hunted, but Bounty Hunters should also not expect to a Jedi fight when going to a waypoint. Expect the Jedi to outwit you, to be more cunning, so that a single minded strategy of "going to a waypoint" evolves naturally to other ways. C:-)