So these temps copied and pasted from other threads

[Darkspecialist]

so this has gone really well, i got more responses than i thought i would, im glad there are a few people that actually talk about builds. But you speak about running..when i unlocked i told myself i wasnt making plans to run away, but as i started to grind I have changed to well maybe i should rethink that. I seen an arguement in general chat sometime ago where the bh and jedi argued and it led to a duel and the jedi ran and the bh got upset. i figured why is it not okay for the jedi to use something the game allows him to have?

Id like to tell myself that no matter the odds i would just stand there and take what is in front of me but we're talking about time here. If i select a build and it isnt working out and im 10mil exp in the hole then thats all the more i need to grind to remake the template.

So what non running away template stands the best chance to taking on a couple of BH at a time?

[davej30]

Look your biggest problem is this,despite claims that BH is overpowered here it isn't as bad as some people claim,what the problem is that the jedi community are not used to a dedicated crew of bounty hunters.There are builds out there that if used correctly can almost nullify a llc BH,however its a combination of pride/entitlement and stubbornness that prevents this.

To put it in real simple terms the jedi player wants it all,you could go defender and be able to keep bh away but that will make you weak vs other jedi,but thats not acceptable with the current mindset.

And going back to a dedicated team,If 5 people who band together make it there upmost mission in the game to kill you its going to happen,despite nerfs to beams,dots,traps,SL,llcs,they will find a way despite what has been taken away from them because they are apparently OP.

People will be asking for the number of BH to be reduced when there is nothing left to nerf.

Running is a good tactic despite any misgivings you have about it,there is no shame in it, youre fighting for your life and xp and although you might get the occasional ribbing for it you get to live to fight/run another day.

[Madroxtheninja]

pretty sure the BH getting upset about the jedi running was Me, and it wasnt even my BH it was my pvp toon, i offered a 1v1 ( which if you ask the jedi WE NEVER DO >.> ) this jedi is known as a trackstar.. he runs his mouth almost as much as he runs his feet, anyway i put my Knight on the line said if he stayed and fought ( again im not a BH so only XP loss is clone IF he cant get a rez) and beat me, i would delete Madrox, My jedi knight, he tried fighting.. then he ran away.... like a punk anyway just clarifying, your statement made me come across like an asshole

[Celt]

so this has gone really well, i got more responses than i thought i would, im glad there are a few people that actually talk about builds. But you speak about running..when i unlocked i told myself i wasnt making plans to run away, but as i started to grind I have changed to well maybe i should rethink that.

Hard not to respect a guy who can be honest about his thought process.

/salute

Look, I get it. XP loss is what drives this whole drama. Without it the whole BH/Jedi thing does not work. Jedi have to have a loss otherwise they have no reason to fear the BH. Tracking jedi wouldnt be difficult as they wouldnt worry about hiding. Fighting them would be much easier as many of you wouldnt resist, would take your death in stride, get rezzed by a buddy and move on. So, Sony coded in xp loss and it was a great idea.

As a Jedi you trade all the negatives for the bonus of being an alpha class with decided advantages in pve and HEAVY advantages in pvp, especially on a hard mode server like this one.

[Kelec]

And going back to a dedicated team,If 5 people who band together make it there upmost mission in the game to kill you its going to happen,despite nerfs to beams,dots,traps,SL,llcs,they will find a way despite what has been taken away from them because they are apparently OP.

People will be asking for the number of BH to be reduced when there is nothing left to nerf.

Beams should have been nerfed, they were out of control, not only vs jedi but regular players too.
Dots/SL were changed by EMU.
Traps were toned back because the enemy literally couldn't play the game, they are a large contributor to the massive jedi turn over here. (No one likes watching there hard work go up in flames in 10 seconds of complete inaction)
LCCs go back and forth, devs have tried to tune them many times giving skills they can use different modifiers. The concept here isn't to wear down a jedi, its to burst him. Defender is meta simply because its harder to burst. Defender is fine vs jedi currently, without FRS its literally the only thing to play.

Jedi isn't tuned higher here than anywhere else, in fact i'd say jedi tuning is worse here than most EMUs currently. Still tons of skill delay, no frs, lack of tapes, and pearl rarity make it literally an uphill battle vs guns way bigger than your own.

[Celt]

Jedi isn't tuned higher here than anywhere else, in fact i'd say jedi tuning is worse here than most EMUs currently. Still tons of skill delay, no frs, lack of tapes, and pearl rarity make it literally an uphill battle vs guns way bigger than your own.

Yea...im gonna call BS on this one. The extra robe toughness alone changes the whole meta on this server. If it was truly dumbed down to the way it was on live, you would forget all about these issues that are complained about today. LLCs and groups wouldnt be a concern and a single skilled melee guy with a vk would give you nightmares. Those who think BH is easier here than on live must have forgetten what it was like to hunt on live.

[bobaphat]

BH is overpowered here. It's intended and by design.

P.S I had over 400 Jedi kills across 3 servers on live, hunting primarily solo. It's infinitely easier here, like not even close.

[Celt]

If we are going to compare resumes then this thread will get pretty ridiculous.

I had hundreds of kills on Valcyn and Bria, hunted rank 9 jedi pre-CU and did it alone. You are simply incorrect. Maybe if we are comparing ranged v ranged, then we have a discussion but if you are talking pre-cu Hunting versus Awakening hunting, this is the big leagues. Killing knights on live without a VK wasnt difficult. Killing knights here with sub par gear is a farce. You must be geared to the hilt and come with friends.

Without a legendary flamer, no one on this server can regularly kill jedi knights here 1 v 1 (assuming both parties are full template, buffed and at the keyboard). It just doesnt happen. Sure, you may catch a guy afk, or unaware while he hunts krayts or something, but you cannot do it with any consistency.

[Celt]

It's intended and by design.

You say this with authority. Unless you can cite a source on that, I am gonna call BS on this as well.

[kithsyn]

And there goes the staying on topic.

[bobaphat]

That's a direct quote from a former staff member here. It's perhaps before your time.

[Celt]

That's a direct quote from a former staff member here. It's perhaps before your time.

Former? Cant really call that credible sir. Though kithsyn is right, maybe we should finish this in another thread.

[Kelec]

This is going nowhere, BHs are always going to feel like its not in there favor and Jedi are going to feel the same. The balance outside of defender vs 2bh is bad. I think everyone can agree on that.

Also celt, I think its fair to say I know what I'm talking about when I say a single bh can solo a powers knight right now, with almost no contest.

[Celt]

If powers is a broke, thats a whole different issue.

[davej30]

This is going nowhere, BHs are always going to feel like its not in there favor and Jedi are going to feel the same. The balance outside of defender vs 2bh is bad. I think everyone can agree on that.

Also celt, I think its fair to say I know what I'm talking about when I say a single bh can solo a powers knight right now, with almost no contest.

Im not disagreeing with you that powers is broke,and yes BH has been tuned up here but the meta to survive is defender,but lets not say jedi hasn't been changed because when i first came here as a melee bh i couldn't do squat without my dot,doing 8 points of damage vs a jedi on this server compared to live is proof enough for me.

[Drakathos]

I do have hard time against certain BHrs even when they come alone but it is not because Jedi is weak, it is because I have no defences and I know that and have chosen my own path but I don't want BHers to be nerfed because of it.

What makes a huge difference for jedi is to know what foods to consume and when, using janta buffs and psgs, yes you heard me right, PSGS.

For an example, when I get attacked by a BH I pop accaragm, garrmorl, vercupti and high #attack synth and roll with those since BH tend to only hit health and action and being a Mhealer I can heal my whole healthbar in one go hence vercupti is the food for me.

[bobaphat]

/ui action toolbarSlot08;
/ui action toolbarSlot09;
/ui action toolbarSlot10;
/ui action toolbarSlot11;
/pause 3;
/m ThisIsAFoodMacroYouShouldAlwaysRun;

Synth/Snow Cake(vs. Melee/Stackers Only)/Thak/Wafers/3xBrandy(Macro and run as soon as you log in)/Itho. Mist/Cor. Brandy/ +Blind Drink w/e its called

Synth/Wafer Macro + The real foods you should be running at all times. If this is too complicated, I'd be willing to sell consultation/lessons, say 5m a pop?

[evilryu]

[Drakathos]

/ui action toolbarSlot08;
/ui action toolbarSlot09;
/ui action toolbarSlot10;
/ui action toolbarSlot11;
/pause 3;
/m ThisIsAFoodMacroYouShouldAlwaysRun;

Synth/Snow Cake(vs. Melee/Stackers Only)/Thak/Wafers/3xBrandy(Macro and run as soon as you log in)/Itho. Mist/Cor. Brandy/ +Blind Drink w/e its called

Synth/Wafer Macro + The real foods you should be running at all times. If this is too complicated, I'd be willing to sell consultation/lessons, say 5m a pop?

We already had this discussion on another thread, I do not use macros for foods and I never will since there are different combinations of foods you can use depending on the situation.

[bobaphat]

You can put whatever you want on the toolbar.
I just feel inclined to respond every time you post that god awful food combination, I really hope no newbie Jedi follows it. BH already have enough of advantage, stop making it easier.