If Awakening revamped Jedi

[Cynar]

List specific publish items that you would think made the Jedi profession better during live. This is general discussion. Please be publish specific as possible, what part you liked about it and why. Do not be afraid to mix and match from different publishes, even the dreaded NGE and CU. Feel free to add as many different choices as you like. Colors are optional!

Example:

Publish 4 Saber TEF - Nuff said
Publish 6 Skill Trees - Provided everyone a taste in the same skills
Publish 8 Scaled Perma-death - It slowed down the hordes of jedi babies, some great risk was still there.
Publish 10 Lightsaber damage - because I liked to wreck everything in sight
Publish 16 Skill toggles - I like being able to stop running, fight and do some damage
Publish 25 Lightsaber colors - cause shiny


Have fun!

[StepoKedur]

I have a copy of that book 'the Jedi Path' (want to find the sith path book too) so I'll get back to you on that

I must say you are pumping out some interesting questions young Cynar!

[lassic]

Pub4. Sabertef.

[abnel]

I'd love to respond on this, but I walked away from SWG after the combat upgrade. Wish you well on this question Cynar. Its good to see that you are thinking of new content and I look forward to any changes.

[Kelec]

If your really serious about this, the pre pub 9 trees are a hell of a lot easier to balance. Everything fights toward the same build in the end just a light or dark version. The fun part is making that system work with a FRS system.

[StepoKedur]

Still thinking!

Thought this was interesting (found a copy of the Book of the Sith on Amazon for four quid. Already have the Jedi code and am after the Bounty Hunter Code so got me thinking)...(especially as consulars pre new canon had yellow sabres. I think those are 'Legend' category now)...



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[StepoKedur]

My play type is really that of a grey jedi, I use the force (lightning, various powers) as well as lightsabres but do not succumb to the dark side.

However there is no option for grey jedi above.

Guardians are listed, and are the mirror of the sith warrior. The sith warrior is too dark though.

The assassins and juggernauts seem interesting, but seem more a defender with avoid incap up and the old spy or jedi cloak (would be interesting to have back!), so are not me.

Inquisitors do seem similar to my setup. Although I am more grey in outlook

Sentinels seem to be more akin to jedi slicers. An interesting concept for my smuggler toon, but not how I would class my play.

Consulars. Now these seem to be more mLS enhancers. Not my game play either, but very interesting.

Back to guardians though. It seems that they do use force powers at times, but rely on the lightsabre mostly. Kind of an mLS dabbling in powers with heavy defender trees.

So I would tentativly have to go with something akin to a grey inquisitor if there could ever be such a thing, or something that matched inquisitor skills. Powers with LS.

[StepoKedur]

I like the IDEA of the same or similar skills in - what is it, pub 6? - but worry that it could have lead or would lead to if it had been around enough to stalemates.

Perma death is good for SOE SWG servers, not so much here and emu servers.

Would you say skill toggles are a mix of what we have now or will have plus CU? That was a more twitch based system as I recall. More tactics had to be used. Something I'm all for! (tactics).

Pub 10 LS damage. Could someone explain a little more please? I simply cannot remember!

[kithsyn]

I appreciate the sentiment behind this post! Since I didn't become a Jedi on LIVE until right after the CU landed, many of the things that were changed/adjusted on Jedi didn't affect me in game so I didn't pay as much attention back then. I'll do more research before I can give concrete feedback on what I would like to see based on some of the LIVE publishes.

Thanks!

[skyhunter11]

I like Stepo's idea for grey jedi. Grey Jedi in FRS that is attackable by both factions. They get half bonus of all Dark and Light side FRS benefits.

Narrk

[Cynar]

You guys have gotten way of track with the format. Please don't just babble, look at how I played mine out please and keep it in the same format.

[StepoKedur]

It's a tough question Cynar!


Inquisitor as I recall is from Rebels or Clone Wars or some other game maybe. I'm not that familiar with it. Same as juggernaut and assassin. I was working my way through the what kind of jedi are you part of the poll.

The other bit I am trying to work out. I heard about them but at the time there wasn't that much info. My old jedi experience was CU and I was about 2 weeks of beginning knight rrials when the damn NGE came. On that score I am asking for more info on them

I also tried to say I am more the grey category in game, and am wondering where that fits as a build in the publishes listed.

I shall have a search again to see where I think the jedi profession was on live. I did like cloak and such.

[obimaul]

I think LS damage has to be increased. Pre pub8 jedi were much tougher and were certainly alpha at that time. Jedi classes would be very cool but I'm not sure how that would be implemented here.

[kithsyn]

I guess I'd have to say saber tef, Group tef, and increased LS dmg for Jedi. I've noticed several Jedi leave the server over the past several weeks once they hit full temp, and a few of them have said that they were disappointed by the dmg of their full template given the hours and months of grinding. Thanks for posting.

[skyhunter11]

I guess I'd have to say saber tef and increased LS dmg for Jedi. I've noticed several Jedi leave the server over the past several weeks once they hit full temp, and a few of them have said that they were disappointed by the dmg of their full template given the hours and months of grinding. Thanks for posting.

I think ls damage being weaker is because of the lightsaber resists on npcs and creatures that were not there in the the live version of game.

Also the damage scales between lightsaber generations isn't very much different. I find the gen1 and gen2 sabers so close that it's dumb to ever use a gen2. Gen3 and gen4 is a bit more scale but still close enough that a gen3 can be better force cost use compared to the damage output.

I have two jedi for training and testing purposes to be a better bounty hunter. I understand completely the frustration with full template by the lack of targets on the terms.

Bounty hunters do a really good job of controlling jedi, but there is little incentive to play a jedi when non Jedi classes fair better against nightsister elders than a jedi knight. My bounty hunter solos elders. Just ask woolystyle .

Narrk

[skyhunter11]

Opps. I did it again. I went off the original question of the post. Sorry Cynar.

Answer - publish 9. Things just worked better. Hopefully emu publish 9 has the same results cause publish 8 sucked "explicits".

Narrk

[bobaphat]

Jedi on Awakening are nearly pointless in the current iteration.

Swords does everything better except for mass NS and group DPS. The problem with the first for Jedi, is that you have to then deal with the likelihood of farm time being sorely ruined by BH, since NS are NPC. The second point, really only includes the DWB because Rifleman is better in a group basically everywhere else in game.
Obviously this is strictly from a PvE standpoint, MBH regulates Jedi in PvP.

If Awakening revamped Jedi (and we all know I just want vanilla Jedi and vanilla BH, I won't get into it) I think it would be a massive boon to the server. While it's unlikely any changes are made with Pub.9 on the horizon, fast tracking some updates specifically tailored to fixing the Jedi/BH problem may well help keep those players that are returning for Pub.9.

/my2c

[jonnyfurious]

I guess I want to know, will Awakening revamp Jedi? I think Pub 9 is make or break for us all.

Let's get real for a minute. If we do not do something to grow this community and maintain a donation base, this server will not be able to sustain itself. Every single one of us needs to be aware of that and first do our part by keeping up with donations, and second by making an effort to grow and maintain our server by being good to eachother, especially in/after PvP situations.

Awakening needs some work when it comes to risk and time invested vs rewards. Jedi is one example of this, but there are others that I won't get into. The effort to balance PvP Jedi has made them pointless in PvE and discouraged them from working together or playing with their guild. Jedi isn't alpha here so why go through the process? It is a huge difficult process on Awakening. The system is set up so that jedi get frustraighted and quit to keep them rare. Well, when they quit their donations quit with them. If we do not fix these issues I do not believe the server can survive. It is no easy task. Sony spent a truckload of money and couldn't make it work, but I believe in this community, which is why I'm here. I think we can make this work.

In the meantime, win or lose please be cool to each other. There is a human on the other end of that BH/Jedi and we need as many people as possible playing and donating here.

[davej30]

I guess I want to know, will Awakening revamp Jedi? I think Pub 9 is make or break for us all.


The system is set up so that jedi get frustraighted and quit to keep them rare. Well, when they quit their donations quit with them. If we do not fix these issues I do not believe the server can survive. It is no easy task. Sony spent a truckload of money and couldn't make it work, but I believe in this community, which is why I'm here. I think we can make this work.

Are you telling me that people only play SWG to obtain jedi?
I dont think that was what the game was originally intended for,Koster didnt even want jedi in the game but bowed under pressure from Sony.

[Cynar]

I can tell you a few hints about whats coming with Pub9, then I won't elaborate anymore. I have to rely on our small dev staff to follow through and demands vs time. Some requests are impossible to achieve for a emu server in the time frame some people want it to occur in.

#1 The FRS is coming
#2 Full on Village/Paddy Trials for new FS
#3 Lightsabers will be tuned up a bit
#4 Different armors/outfits may have some resists tweaked or added.
#5 Traps will be toned down and made available at different ranks in BH. They were meant to be a tool in a arsenal, not an iWin button. Just don't plan on being X/X/X/X and freezing people in place. Some traps will still only happen at Mastery level.


Jedi vs Jedi pvp needs to be on it's own. Not saying Jedi shouldn't be able to compete in regular PvP, they should, but someone should have to attack them first either via either a BH mission or via Saber TEF [and at what level of progress?]. Then it's a get what you ask for scenario. I'm going to ask our devs to investigate if this can be done post Pub9. There are lots of other things coming with Publish 9 and Star Wars Galaxies just isn't about Jedi. They are most certainly an important part of the Stories, but they are not the only part.

Keep the discussion going. There's some good stuff floating around. Keep in mind levels/parts of the game are meant to be difficult and challenging. If they weren't it would all just be SWTOR.